tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13305731.post6090242366427596958..comments2023-04-18T06:33:42.216-07:00Comments on Pogo Princess: The untamed shrewLizzie Pogohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11687243893023937951noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13305731.post-54091385047822497972007-07-05T10:37:00.000-07:002007-07-05T10:37:00.000-07:00It is, indeed, a Kissing Jessica Stein reference. ...It is, indeed, a Kissing Jessica Stein reference. I've sort of co-opted it, not to sound hip, but because I like the imagery of letting thoughts marinate.<BR/><BR/>I think the cover furthers the "pretty/ugly" binary, yes. <BR/><BR/>I suppose my discomfort stems from people's comments about the cover, how their applause still seem couched in the attractiveness binary. I think you and I should have an in-person conversation about this, because I'm not good at clarifying these types of thoughts online these days.<BR/><BR/>Miss you!stormy_browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13332816413563681918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13305731.post-78994927841814935152007-06-27T11:02:00.000-07:002007-06-27T11:02:00.000-07:00Marinate? Is this Kissing Jessica Stein-derived?T...Marinate? Is this Kissing Jessica Stein-derived?<BR/><BR/>The way I see it, the NME cover is a big fuck you to exactly what you're criticizing: "[the] judgment of women's worth based on whether or not people approve of their body types." By posing naked, Beth was stating in no uncertain terms that she doesn't care that people don't approve of her body type, that she is going to do a nude cover anyway. Because there's obviously an unspoken rule that fat women aren't supposed to take off their clothes. The cover breaks that rule. And in fact, many readers predictably lambasted the NME for the cover, calling Beth ugly and obese and no end of other unsavory(and inaccurate) epithets. <BR/><BR/>Why do you think the cover promotes a binary? Which binary? Pretty woman/ugly woman?Lizzie Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11687243893023937951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13305731.post-3388402560859232142007-06-27T08:19:00.000-07:002007-06-27T08:19:00.000-07:00I've been letting this whole thing marinate for a ...I've been letting this whole thing marinate for a while, and I have to say that I'm still not comfortable with the Beth Ditto cover. Don't get me wrong, as a fat chick, I'm all for fat-positivism. What I'm not all for, however, is the continuation of the binary and the objectification and judgment of women's worth based on whether or not people approve of their body types. Does that make sense? Let's talk about this more, cos I'd love to have a discussion and share thoughts on this with you.stormy_browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13332816413563681918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13305731.post-42199506035476150342007-06-10T14:16:00.000-07:002007-06-10T14:16:00.000-07:00hi, mariah.yeah, even i couldn't find fault with t...hi, mariah.<BR/><BR/>yeah, even i couldn't find fault with their riot grrrl summary...whoever wrote it did her research, even if the result did seem awfully whipped up at the last minute. i was having a conversation with marisa meltzer the other day about the mind-boggling popularity of beth ditto in the UK, and she asked me why i thought she was so embraced over there. i still have no idea. do you?Lizzie Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11687243893023937951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13305731.post-82877509818443444452007-06-10T08:34:00.000-07:002007-06-10T08:34:00.000-07:00hey! just discovered your blog through the typical...hey! just discovered your blog through the typical girls list... and i have to say, i'm absolutely in love with the NME beth ditto cover as well. we always buy NME anyhow, but this one's most def a keeper!Mariahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12902529750712158756noreply@blogger.com